An Open Invitation concerning Presidential Inauguration Day 20th January 2017

I have read statements as to why this is either a step on the road to return to liberty or the greatest disaster to fall upon Humankind since 3rd September 1939 (which kind of forgets the Chinese who had had a few years of misery already). There have been the usual encounters with hyperbole and the sense that the writers are preaching to their own group. Now since President Elect Donald Trump is not the sort of person to engender a non-committal shrug I must assume we have two specific camps; with those who write professionally and wish to retain their reputations as impartial analysist doing their very best to come across as being so detached as to be positively Spockian. All well and good.

So my next question is along these lines.

Can those of you who voted for Donald Trump explain to me why you reached the conclusion this was the correct choice? Since the media(s) seem to delight in trying to make us paranoid I have add ‘this is not a trick question’ (whatever that is supposed to be). I have a genuine interest in the motivation and the rationale which led to the casting of the vote.

(Now I should warn you I have a nil tolerance for any answers which contain abuse against persons, assertions of alleged wrong doings, conspiracy notions etc, etc. Don’t bother. I- Don’t-Care. Not interested. Off you go, agitate the gravel. You are dealing with someone who has read a lot of history, and History is a stern teacher. And there is no one in Human history who does not carry a string of accusations against them from one group are another, or a list of shortcomings. )

Thus I will be hoping to receive a rational, intelligent, carefully constructed explanation as to why you voted for Donald Trump. Therefore, this should be a positive argument concentrating upon his features.

I would not have posted this if I did not have a genuine interest. These should be times of dialogue and genuine exchanges of information. Shouting, accusations, abuse, YouTube ‘journalism’ & Facebook ranting doesn’t cut it in my own little hard-left socialist / Roman Catholic world.

I await replies, please.

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70 thoughts on “An Open Invitation concerning Presidential Inauguration Day 20th January 2017

  1. Although Canadians couldn’t vote for (or against) Trump, some might have insights for you, since we are after all “hewers of wood and drawers of water” for the divinely appointed Master Race of earth. As an interested party, I would have voted for Trump. There were two reasons I could see to vote Trump. One, as a protest vote against the previous cabal. Two, for those who hate the Imperium (like myself) it would have been a vote for the Destroyer. I got my vote. Now let’s see how much he does destroy; if there is still a “United States” and how much of it remains united after his term, or two, in office. Previous administrations have been systematically looting and gutting the social and economic infrastructure of “America” to feed an insatiable military industrial bankster complex. Let’s see how what remains is distributed.

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      • Yes! And then the “Untied Nations”… and then we may find our way to return to the wilderness as we were meant to live before we were reprogrammed and saddled with a civilization we neither needed nor wanted; a civilization that this planet was not designed to support. It’s like a substantial number of Earthian humanity was subjected to some demonic “MKUltra” programming half a million years ago. We became murderous, destructive, war-mongering, genocidal, misogynistic monsters and despite moments of clarity, and periodic intervention by some daring way showers (whom we mostly martyred in the most vile ways) we haven’t yet awakened from the imposed nightmare. We know we’re wrong but somehow there’s always “that reason” which excuses our behaviour; there’s always enough justification to continue. Fortunately, for what still survives man’s madness, that “continuation” may come to an end sooner than most think or choose not to believe.

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  2. Personally I have to admit that I’ve had that question on my mind as well. I’ve gotten a number of answers from those around me, ranging from “he’s a member of my party” (although he did change parties…) to the idea that God ordained him to be the next president. Many people in my area largely seem to think that Clinton just couldn’t do it, or was untrustworthy. The latter of which I can’t necessarily say I disagree with. But regardless of reasoning I still find it a bit unnerving that so many Americans are still sitting idly by with the two party system idea despite the facts that A. our founding fathers warned us against such and B. there are people out there who seriously vote for candidates they HATE solely because they are “in their party.” It’s mind-boggling. I know this was likely nothing like what you intended, but the post called to me. Hope all is well with you!

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    • Hi Damaen.
      Thanks for your reply; it was of great value because you passed on some insights to me.
      Regarding the Founding Fathers as I understand matters some where also against everyone having a vote lest there be ‘Mob Menality’; witnessing some of the events in the UK over Brexit & the US election it’s easier to understand why those fears were voiced.

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  3. This should prove quite interesting. I’ve seen similar requests from other outsiders, yet I have not seen a single, rational American response. Every single pro-Trump response I’ve seen has been either viciously anti-something, or based on false facts and rationales (like he’s an awesome businessman who can run this country like a business).

    Either way, I’d be curious to see if you fare any better with your request. And I’m especially eager to hear your responses… 😉

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  4. Crickets?

    Hi Roger,
    I agree with Lisa. I have seen similar requests with no takers.
    I will say that my daughter’s piano teacher hinted that she voted for Trump, only because our dear Lady J, who has not yet learned that talk of politics is can be impolite, outright asked her. LOL!!
    Anyway, our dear teacher kept saying, “I dunno.. we just need a change and you know…he’s a good business man…so……………”
    Well, since the ‘door’ was ajar, I took the opportunity to push it wide open.
    That said, I told her, in no uncertain terms, that I could not vote for anyone who could callously mock handicapped people while openly degrading women, immigrants and minorities–wholesale!
    Anyway, I plan to return to see what kind of responses you get.
    I just hope that any takers will abide by the house rules!

    Thanks for such a great challenge Roger! I pray that you and yours are doing well!

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    • Hi Gwin
      I thought to myself…I have to ask. There are folk on WP whose writing and other artistic work I admire and we share much. This being so it does not seem fair for me to condemn them because of their voting preferences; thus I hope to learn.
      The interesting difference between US & UK at present is that in the US post election it’s all actions and getting things ready for the change over and folk talking positions. In the UK there seems to be an air of bewildered shuffling about…(Apart from of course the racists who have crawled out from their sewers- just one year as benevolent hard left socialist leader, is all I ask….no make that Five as in Five Year Plan….no on second thoughts I’ll be benevolent dictator for Life….you can see the problem there).
      Take care you and yours Gwin; how are Lady J’s piano lessons going?

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      • Absolutely! By the way, I learned through a 3rd party, that our dear piano teacher thought that I would dislike her because of our differences politically.
        Nothing could be further from the truth. I am not that shallow. I accept people on face value and if they are good to me then I cannot dismiss them for having a different point of view.
        That said, I do have to believe that if you voted for Trump then racism and sexism is not a priority for you; I guess everybody has his own list of what is important.
        On a lighter note, Lady J has a recital this Sunday and the teacher says that she is doing well.
        Always a pleasure chatting with you my friend 🙂

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  5. I just learned this morning that an old dear friend of mine voted for Trump. Shocked me, because I always thought we were more or less on the same page. Anyway, she told me she mainly did it as an anti-Hillary act — lesser of two evils.

    How she came to the conclusion that Trump was less of an evil than Hillary I’ll never know. If some Trump voters show up here to explain, I’m all ears.

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    • I think there may have been an unhappy conjunction between 2 perceptions which themselves are both subjects for individual discussions as to the validities.
      1. That we live in uncertain times in which there is a risk of sudden violence upon the public.
      2. That the political systems have become mere career choices and the voters simple stepping stones.
      Put these together and there will be sudden shifts.
      I could be wrong, or possibly under/over-estimated one or the other (hedging the bets, I could be a pundit!!), which is why it would be interesting to read responses.

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      • Good points, Roger. I think No. 2 might be particularly apt right now, which doesn’t bode too well for the Democrats over here. A lot of old white men who are entrenched in Congress.

        Given your two perceptions, though, it’s fascinating that Trump is basically turning over the government to Goldman Sachs.

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      • Thanks Kevin,
        Looking from outside….One thing about the folk of the US, everyone seems ready to have a say when they feel it’s a raw deal. If it goes the way you suggest and is seen not to be working out, there could be some interesting coalitions on the streets.
        (Meanwhile Brexit muddles & trundles along- it’s the true British Way!!)

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  6. I didn’t vote for Trump but many people in Texas did. Is it all some horrible plan to get the Republicans in and then they will impeach him and Pence becomes President? I didn’t understand the Independent Scotland vote nor Brexit.

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    • Early days yet, I guess. We’ll see. It’s all new territory.
      Meanwhile in the UK, the courts have said that the Govt must take the Brexit process through Parliament which will be very unlikely to upset anything. Some folk will get upset though, but these things happen when you have an unwritten constitution (cunning isn’t it?)
      How are you and yours Gwin?

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      • Looks like I’m a day late and a dollar short! LOL!!
        Wow, very cunning–that is!
        Do you think the whole world has fallen down the freaking rabbit hole? LOL!!
        BTW, I am doing well Roger, how are you and yours?

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      • Hi Gwin.
        Sorry for the delay; Patchwork had hold of me and wouldn’t let go until I’d finished the first draft! Crazy ride!
        In between DC & Image comics I’ve been reading much history, and truth be known things don’t change much, it’s just that folk have much more access to news; half-news, rumour and off-wall opinions than they used to have. So like someone says they have conclusive proof the world will end next week and only those who subscribe to the newsletter and wear it on their heads will survive, and in two days…bingo! They’ve got 25,000 followers.
        Yeh I’m ok thanks, even managed to put together a new shoe rack without harsh language and calling down wrath upon the guy who put the instructions together! (Whoo-ooo)

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      • LOL @ the shoe rack!
        You are right, you can say anything shocking and get followers left and right. Lots of crazy folks out there.
        Have you seen the latest acts of His Royal Badness Trump?
        I really have got to stop watching–I don’t wanna see the moment when we go off the freaking cliff! I’d rather just wake up in heaven.
        Roger, sadly, I am only half joking.
        Hope you and the family are doing well 🙂

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      • Anddd I created from bits of flat-pack wood and an instruction book which was more like an intelligence service cypher than anything else a little item for the hallway!
        Yep! Saw that one coming. Aside form anything else it was a total admin screw-up (that the ex-civil servant in me talking). The issue now divides up into three questions:
        Will he learn from the event?
        Will his advisors, cabinet, White House staff be willing to haul him in, or as they also like this?
        Just how much of a contest will there be between the President (Executive) and People (via the Courts)?
        This could well be an episode in American History where the constitution is talked about and used even more than usual. We shall see.
        (In the meantime we have Brexit, which may or may not be a good thing, a bad thing, a thing which can be conducted with ease, which may be a rather big bumbly mess in the finest British tradition- I shall drink more tea!)
        We’re ok, a few minor turbulences, but the Family sails on.
        Take care you and your Gwin

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      • Let us BOTH drink tea—pinky finger sticking out and all!
        LOL!!!
        By the way, it is hilarious to imagine a former UK civil servant trying to figure out how to enforce Mr. Trump’s half-baked edicts! LOL!!!
        I am laughing to keep from crying!
        Seriously, thank God for checks and balances!
        But I can’t help worrying that we may wake up tomorrow only to find that we thought we had a legislature and judiciary-The ‘alternate fact’ is that neither of those things ever existed and we live, in fact, under a dictator.
        Is this not 1984 and Animal Farm all tumbled together?
        LOL!!!
        PS: I’ll send prayers up that those minor turbulence smooth out.

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      • Back in the day when I worked in good ol’ HMIT (Her Majesty’s Inspector of Taxes) and was a grade that was sort of half-way betwixt sergeant and junior officer we had a lot of unofficial power (ie Do what you will, but don’t get caught, if you do you’re own your own; that allowed some of us to come up with some pretty creative thinking. Some of the old gang could have cleared an airport and still seen to be complying with the Executive Order…along the lines of ‘Yes Sir, but the guidelines we were supplied with indicated these people could be allowed through….Yes Sir we’ll give you a detailed report on each and every one. NO Sir, we won’t be able to do that because we’ll be compiling those reports. Might we suggest we just let everyone through, while you draft more detailed instructions and in the meantime we’ll pass all the details compiled onto the NSA, CIA, FBI, IRS, FADA, and…’ We could stall most things, or just ignore them.
        1984? I suspect the entire new administration would have been declared Thought Criminals and thence Non-Persons by the Administration.
        Thanks for the prayers Gwin, much appreciated

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  7. Re the country to the south of mine: What. a. mess. Truly amazing how far things can unravel in just nine days. If I were a religious person, I’d be praying hard for some semblance of sanity to prevail.

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  8. This is truly terrifying. Trump is insane, but Bannon is pure evil. And the latter is pulling the strings.
    Not to mention all the cabinet pics nominated (and sure have their confirmations pushed through), who are equally extreme right-wing zealots.

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    • Now ‘we shall see’. The US is a very complicated nation (or federation of nations). It cannot be run like a commercial enterprise or a prize hobby. For those who hunted for this power the phrase ‘Careful What You Wish For’ springs to mind. Zealots they may be, whether they have the staying-power is another matter.
      The old Talking Heads song ‘Once In A Lifetime’ keeps running through my head.

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      • I don’t think that would happen, but a UK Prime Minister (sort of President) Harold Wilson (1963-1970) said that a week was a long time in politics. Four years as US President is a long haul and the challenges will be Unforeseen Ones and the potential of Slow Erosion by Opposing. The former tests the mettle; the latter requires the ability to accommodate and win the confidence of the overall majority. Literally Testing Times of the day-to-day grind. Getting elected is easy, staying is not that difficult, earning your place in history (ahhhh, now ‘there’s the rub’)

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      • But things are happening very fast. These protests in the streets all over the country remind me of the anti-Vietnam war protests of 1968 onwards. Nixon was finally impeached… Let’s hope for the End of Trump too.

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      • Ah I remember those times well, there were many almost Shakespearean elements to Nixon’s downfall, and basically it was all to do with law breaking. We shall have to wait and see what transpires. This administration will have to learn a lot in a short space of time, legally that is.

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      • “We live in interesting times.” Wherever that quote comes from (I forget!), it sure fits now. I just hope it doesn’t go from “interesting” to “terrifying” although I have to say it’s coming uncomfortably close.

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      • And the forces of History will have their say, one way or another.
        ( Snippet time:’Interesting Times’. There is supposed to be a Chinese curse which translated comes out as ‘May You Live In Interesting Times’, but I read recently it’s a mis-translation…and I’ve forgot the rest…bother!)

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    • Hi, Ellie 🙂
      Everything that you have said here is so true! I just pray that Canada will have mercy and allow American refugees! LOL!!!
      Sadly, I can’t even believe I’m saying that!

      I’ve been reading and enjoying your comments.
      I just wanted to say that I, like you, would love to see Trump impeached and removed but then we get Pence and he is maybe an eighth of an inch better 😦
      By the way, the metric conversion for that measurement is so minuscule as to be incalculable! LOL!!!
      Anyway, I do appreciate the support from both you and Roger 🙂

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      • Are you kidding? One of our east coast provinces – Nova Scotia, specifically its area called Cape Breton Island, okay, one guy there specifically, invited all American ‘refugees’ to come and settle there! He even started a website about it, here: http://cbiftrumpwins.com/. And there were articles about it in our media – here’s a sample: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/donald-trump-cape-breton-canada-rob-calabrese-americans-nova-scotia-1.3449987. Note, Lady G, that this is from almost exactly a year ago. So, you gotta say that we are very eager to have you here!! 🙂 Canada believes that diversity & immigration makes us all stronger!
        Now, re Pence, it’s true that he’s a far-right conservative, as I’ve read. But at least he’s not f’in’ insane!! Which makes the eighth-inch (or whatever the hell it is in metric) important, qualitatively, I’m thinkin’. Hang in there and fight the good fight! We’re all (almost all? Well, the sanest of us!) behind you!!! ❤

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      • LOVE IT!!!!
        Thanks for such a lovely response 🙂
        I am definitely going to check into that link!
        Today, I was knocked off my feet when the UK said no to the idea of Trump speaking before Parliament!
        Folks are rising up and saying enough is enough!
        BTW, you are totally right on the Pence thing 🙂

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      • TWO links! 2 links! 🙂 If you prefer an urban centre, take your pick: Montreal (my city! mine!), Toronto, Calgary, Vancouver, Halifax, St. John’s, tons ‘n’ tons more! Ask me anything! 😀

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      • Montreal!
        YAASSSS!
        Maybe I should brush up on those French courses that I took over 20 years ago 🙂
        But for now, let me say to all Canadians, “I WILL WORK FOR FOOD”
        LOL!!!
        Ellie, seriously, a thousand thanks for being so kind, understanding and informative.
        Today’s news of DeVos’ confirmation is beyond troubling and the idea of Jeff Sessions as Attorney General is making me ill!
        Mr. Sessions’ mentality is very much aligned with Mr. “Jim Crow” of Alabama.
        I just can’t!

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      • Yo! Lady G.! “Kind, understanding and informative” is my motto! 😀 BTW, see my latest blog post, hot off the…screen! (You said the magic word “food”!) Commmmeeeee to Canadaaaaaaaaa!!! ❤

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      • I am so with you on that one my friend.

        You are sleeping now but I am sad to report that he is now the AG. You’ll read more about it tomorrow.

        It’s getting very gloomy here 😦 Roger.

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      • We had a major win today! The Federal Judges smacked down DT’s travel ban 3-0!
        YAAASSS!
        Most are saying that the judges couldn’t even get to the heart of the matter because the order was so sloppy from the word go!
        Oh but then Prez hollers “See you in Court!”
        What?
        Oh and then there’s the little matter of Kellyanne hawking Ivanka Trump-wear while functioning in an official capacity! ILLEGAL!
        Boy…it’s a freaking circus over here.
        But we’ll pull through somehow.
        Hope you are sleeping well.
        You’ll see all this mess tomorrow.

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      • Hi Gwin.
        Yes I noticed that. If I was in the Admin I’d be a bit concerned with the argument being put to the court revolving around the basis of ‘Because The President says so, that’s why’- doesn’t show much of an idea of the US constitution & separation of powers. They need to be astute on these matters. ‘The Most Powerful Person On Earth’ label is quite an illusion – LBJ probably the most accomplished practitioner (at least on the Home front) knew that more than any other,

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      • The US constitution always strikes me as a powerful bit of work when it gets its ‘steam up’. Presidents have to work within in and with it. The Whitehouse team would do well to dwell on that. This is the whole US of A, not a commercial outfit or a ‘small time’ (comparatively) state legislature.
        The more profitable strategy would be ‘OK. Here we are, now how do we convince those who didn’t vote for us, We’re a ‘Good Thing’, while keeping our own folk on board’…and that’s hard enough!

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